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At The Sunday Paper, Stephanie reports, writes, and edits news stories. She also writes a weekly column about Atlanta's City Hall, the Atlanta Police Department, and crime, as well as government in general. She has appeared on MSNBC's "Hardball with Chris Matthews," where she debated Pat Buchanan, Air America's "The Lionel Show," where she debated Nancy Skinner, and the Australian national radio show, "Dads on the Air." Her blogs and columns have been cited in numerous publications around the world. She is also the founder of the Jackalope Party, a political party for fiscally conservative, socially liberal Americans. She collects National Geographics from before the fall of the USSR and her favorite movie is the brilliant Hitchcock-like French film, "He loves me, he loves me not." She deeply loves too many books to name them all, but among her favorites are A.A. Long's "Epictetus: A Stoic and Socratic Guide to Life," Baruch Spinoza's "The Ethics," Michael White's "Isaac Newton: The Last Sorcerer," James Connor's "Kepler's Witch," Simon Winchester's "The Professor and the Madman," Owen Gingerich's "The Book Nobody Read," Russell Shorto's "Descartes' Bones," D.T. Max's "The Family That Couldn't Sleep," and Matthew Stewart's "The Courtier and the Heretic." Email her at stephanieramage@sundaypaper.com.
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IMMIGRATION REFORM NOW!


The reason that wrongheaded Republicans have made illegal immigrants their scapegoats—and the reason that spineless Democrats have not spoken out against the anti-immigrant nastiness—is that America has lost respect for honest, hard work and the people who do it.

 It is eye-opening that my candor regarding the menial jobs I did to support myself after being laid off from white collar work as a journalist has been met with ridicule by other people in the press who post comments saying that the fact that I worked such jobs clearly shows that I am a person of no account. That sort of attitude is what is wrong with America today. Back in late 2002 and early 2003, I took unemployment for about six weeks and just couldn’t stomach it anymore. I went to work at a day care and at night I worked at Café Lily in Decatur. I’d previously taken contacts there when I worked in corporate PR and before that, as a journalist, I’d taken sources there. One night, I took the AJC’s Cynthia Tucker there.

 When I found myself out of a job, I went to Angelo Patillo, the owner, and told him I needed work and I could wait tables. At first, he was horrified: “But, you’re my customer!” he exclaimed. “We can’t have you working here!” But I leveled with him. I was broke, I had a son to support, I was raised to work and I would never go on the dole.

 He looked me in the eye and said gruffly, “I understand. When can you start?”

(I ended up working as a hostess--yes, opening the door for people.)

 We were a nation built not on lattes and 401Ks and corporate healthcare, but on simple persistence, humility, determination and the copious sweat of laborers. When we lost respect for work and sought to subsidize ourselves with credit cards, we lost respect for ourselves and we lost our way. We lost our very identity. Americans are the people of work. That is who we are.

 My father was such a person. He dropped out of school in eighth grade to support his family because his father was an alcoholic. Then he spent his life going from one menial job to another. He tried farming. He was a truckdriver. He was a milkman. He ran a store. He cooked at a restaurant. In the end, he retired after decades working as a boiler operator at Gilman Paper Company. Ours was not an easy existence. We kids—there were six of us—were pushed into the labor market even before we could legally work in some cases, but my Dad was extremely proud of the home that he’d bought for his family and the fact that half his children graduated from college.

 Several years before he died in early 2003, Dad had just arrived home from what the rest of the family referred to as his second home, the Huddle House. It was a Saturday in summer and close to noon. My parents lived in the same tiny hometown where I’d grown up in middle Georgia and already the temperature was into the 90s.

Dad was blanched with the heat and poured himself a glass of ice water before sinking into a chair in the kitchen and saying thoughtfully “I just went by, down there at the creek, where they’ve got a bunch of Mexicans clearing out the place and man, let me tell you, those jokers can work.”

 My father was in his 70s. He was a World War II veteran and, like many of his generation, he admired a person’s willingness to work hard more than just about anything else. He believed that a willingness to work was the central tenet of being American and that is probably one of the reasons he loved immigrants so much and he did not, just so you know, make any distinction between legal or illegal. He used to say “If somebody wants to come to this country and work, then by God we ought to let’em. We already got too many sorry SOBs who don’t want to work.”

 My father, as I have reported previously in this space, used to say that immigrants, more than anyone else, understood what there was to love about this country—much more so than native-born, perfectly legal Americans who took it forgranted. The immigrants he admired the most at the end of his long hard life, a life that included his wounding in combat and contraction of malaria while in the service of his country in the Pacific, were the illegals he saw nearly everyday in middle Georgia. He would see crews of them and comment that they were “hip-deep in cottonmouths” down in the swamp, clearing someone’s land. He was fascinated by them and he felt that they made a strongly positive contribution to this country.

 Now, if you knew how conservative my Dad was, that might surprise you, but old conservatives will recognize him as one of their own. He was not religious and he saw clearly that the lifeblood of America is those people who are willing to sacrifice their safety for this country and work hard to earn the American dream—he believed that dream must be earned, that it is not a birthright, and that is why, to him and his generation, those who are willing to work are the true heirs of this country regardless of any paperwork.

 He explained to me on no uncertain terms that it is work itself that makes one an American and that, in his opinion, the so-called “illegals” were nothing of the sort.

I thought about that recently when Jon Stewart excoriated CNBC’s “Mad Money” host Jim Cramer for encouraging investment in companies that would, not much later, fail and require a taxpayer bailout. Stewart said something that could very well have fallen from the lips of my curmudgeonly WWII veteran dad: “When will we realize in this country that our wealth is in our work?”

 This, to me stands out in sharp contrast with the mindset of one of Georgia’s foremost bashers of undocumented immigrants, D.A. King, whom I interviewed at length in 2006 for an article entitled “Little Pink Houses.” In it, King explained to me that it had been some time since he had worked—he was previously in insurance—because his business had declined and he’d felt it imperative to devote himself fulltime to the cause of fighting illegals—those same illegals whose work ethic is beyond dispute.

 I seriously doubt that D.A. King has ever swung a sling blade to clear a ditch or even, as I did growing up, squatted low between rows of butterbeans and picked them until my back ached and then shelled them until I thought my thumbnail would fall off.

In our interview, he spoke of how much of a foodie he was, enjoying fine wine and cuisine, and how he’d been inspired to start down the road of anti-immigrant advocacy when Mexicans had moved in across the street and he saw that their van leaked oil onto the cul de sac. They also—horrors!—painted their house pink.

 I have had the bitterly unfortunate experience of living next door to good-for-nothings for most of my life. I’ve seen them fake disabilities to get a government paycheck. I’ve seen them drink themselves half to death and then demand that I, the taxpayer, pick up the tab each and every time they called an ambulance to come get them because they wanted to drink more than they wanted to manage their diabetes. I’ve seen them flat-out refuse to work, too sorry even to put recyclables in a bin. I’ve seen neighbors deal crack. I’ve seen them neglect and abuse their kids. I’ve seen them neglect their elderly folks. And they were all perfectly legal, native born Americans.

 I would have paid money to have a hard-working bunch of so-called “illegals” next door.

 King and others like him make a distinction between “legal and illegal” because they do not actually understand what it means to be American.

 Our country was built on the blood and sweat of people who did not believe in entitlement. They were people who were brave enough to risk their lives and give up everything they had to come here to be able to…WORK.

 Today so many of the complaints against Latino illegals involve things that we have forced them to do by withholding citizenship from them. Yes, withholding. The Latinos by and large have earned their citizenship. We have forced them to live like criminals, we have alienated their children from the American dream and made them criminals by denying the very thing that would help this country the most: granting them citizenship.

 Why do they eat up our tax-dollars at emergency rooms? Because they know the ER has to treat them regardless of their citizenship status. Who forced them to such subterfuge? Politicians like Georgia’s Chip Rogers who have passed law after law criminalizing these hard-working folks. If they were not afraid of being separated from their kids and deported, they might be more willing to seek less expensive forms of health care—like seeing a primary care physician. Doctors at Grady Hospital have told me how many of the Latinos they see dig into their pockets for cash to try to pay their bills, as opposed to native born Americans who waltz in and waltz out without a thought for who’s going to pay for their treatment.

 By criminalizing undocumented immigrants, we’ve isolated them, making it harder for them to learn to speak English and yet their rabid critics scream that their inability to speak English is one of the chief reasons why we should not tolerate their presence in this country. That’s like stabbing someone and then complaining that they’re bleeding all over your floor.

Some point to the Reagan “amnesty” of 1986 and they say that it only encouraged more illegals to come here. It was no “amnesty.” Risking your life to come to a country to be able to work an honest job and provide for your family is not an illegal act. President Reagan understood that. He granted them citizenship because they had earned it. And my father, I remember, applauded Reagan for it.

 How strange it is that in an era when Reagan has been canonized by both Republicans and Democrats alike, no one on either side—except John McCain—has had the cajones to talk about one of the most dramatic things Reagan ever did: his so-called “amnesty” for workers here without papers. It was the right thing to do. They cannot fully be Americans, they cannot live with equal protection and responsibility under the law, until we grant them legal status.

 And before you take up the chant about how this group and that group has to wait and wait for many years to become citizens let me say two things: 1) Our entire immigration system needs to be reformed and 2) Actually, Mexicans do, in fact, have a status that merits special consideration not extended to everyone and so, by the way, do Canadians. It makes sense to make allowances for the countries that share your border. Their regional concerns are yours and you will find, if you know your history, that draconian immigration controls employed by neighboring countries always result in huge amounts of money being spent to achieve absolutely nothing.

Notice I said “immigration controls”—not “borders.” We need strong borders. But borders and immigration are two separate matters and it is only since the two have been forced into one issue by those wishing to further their careers by persecuting Latinos, that we have seen enormous, wasteful financial outlays in the form of nanny-chasing and gardener-tackling and all manner of other ridiculous and pathetic so-called “immigration enforcement” and “homeland security.” In 2007 alone, American taxpayers spent $270 million to incarcerate and maintain Hondurans whose only reason for being arrested, in the vast, vast majority of cases, was that they were here illegally. How much sense does that make to you? And that was just the Hondurans.

 America is more than 200 years old and yet until the 1960s she always seemed so young, even younger than other, much newer states around the globe. Why? Because America’s previously more open and forgiving—prior to 1964—immigration policies meant that we were constantly seeing ourselves anew through the eyes of grateful newcomers. Their infusions of sweat and determination kept our economy robust as their presence created more jobs. That’s something the anti-immigrant crowd never talks about because they either don’t know or don’t want you to know: working people tend to create more jobs. Any economist can tell you that. My father used to say “I’d be ashamed to admit somebody took my job away. Anybody who’ll work will find a job.” That may seem harsh, but if we boil it down to bare economics it’s actually true, and working people create more work. You might not be working the job you want, but you’re helping yourself and the economy if you’re working at all and your job allows someone else to have a job, too.

 As Fareed Zakaria pointed out in a May 2007 Newsweek article, “The six states that get the largest inflow of illegal immigrants—New York, California, Illinois, Texas, Florida and Arizona—have unusually low unemployment rates. With the exception of California and Illinois, they are all lower than the already-low national average of 4.5 percent (last month). As for the argument that immigrants depress the wages of native-born Americans, the best new research on this topic—by economists Giovanni Peri and Chad Sparber—demonstrates that unskilled immigrants complement rather than replace native Americans in the labor force, doing jobs that native Americans will not.”

The answer to the immigration dilemma is actually pretty simple. We must create a work visa program sooner rather than later. If you believe as I do, and as many generations of Americans before me believed, that your sweat is your justification for being here, a work visa program is the obvious choice for helping the American economy.

It makes sense in terms of tax revenues and paying for public services because guest workers can be taxed at a higher rate to pay for public services. It makes sense in terms of investing in America’s future because it will provide a legal path to citizenship. It makes sense in terms of reducing the prison population so that cell space can go to real criminals instead of housekeepers, roofers and landscapers. It makes sense in terms of creating a new generation of hard working immigrants to rejuvenate America’s economy. It makes sense in terms of preserving English because, without the taint of illegality, Latino laborers in particular will move more freely in society and they and their children will learn to speak English as a consequence.
 
It makes sense in every way except politically and if we, the people, make our wishes known, then it will make sense in that way as well.


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COME TO AMERICA! Taxpayers WILL Support you?

Whatever the issues are, such as health care, education or even a overloaded prison system. Nothing has more effect on the culture, language, and momentum of our economy than ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION Politicians see the American taxpayer as the "Beast of Burden" None are more malevolent than Sen. Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a multitude of other officials, who only have big business dividends at heart.

How many more illegal aliens with their families are taxpayers expected to support? The media, along with the government have chanted monotonously for years, that only 13 million have settled here. But the Heritage Foundation have analyzed it's more like 40 million? Then who are we inclined to believe? I think the latter of the two and with that, what costs are estimated taxpayers fork out annually. The Heritage Foundation has issued many reports on costs for settling illegal and legal immigrants and the news it's not good? The critics will argue that illegal aliens pay taxes, state and federal--but millions more are happily accommodated by criminal employers who pay directly into the hand. Then what about the billions that leave this country every year by Western Union wire transfer, that never ends up in the nations coffers. Remember we have an encumbrance of illegal aliens stealing jobs in "Sanctuary Cities" But then we have Sanctuary states like California. Then guess what state nearly collapsed with bankruptcy imminent? They had to raise the highest taxes in the nation, to cover the $47. billion dollars, so they could support all the illegal alien welfare payouts. Seeing nobody is telling the Public the straight facts, we should use Census tracking to locate and deport all illegal foreign nationals? E-Verify should be made--PERMANENT--Not just for new employees, but those already hired.

America according to statistics from reputable websites takes in 1.5 million new--LEGAL IMMIGRANTS--a year. That's more immigration than any other country in the world.

Here is just a few who have compromised the E-Verify, but others who are have influenced the "Rule of Law." is Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.). who should have never voted in to office. He runs with the subversive groups like La Raza, Mecha and a contagious following of anti-sovereignty lunatics. It should be noted that the FBI states, that America has the highest concentration of illegal alien felons incarcerated. Georgia is now pondering to make drivers licenses only available to people, who comprehend English. One only has to study the growing incident rate of DUI's on the website AMERICAN PATROL, to realize the scope of the death caused by foreign nationals on the highways and the violence in our streets. Illegal gang members have become the epitome of hideous murders in Sanctuary cities and states and a breeding ground for other felons. Home invasion robberies, car jacking and just plain kidnapping and assaults, rapes and child pederasts, was never on such a grand scale since the intentional ignorance of our lawmakers--to cease and desist--arresting and detaining illegal immigrants. Such is a violation of the law in Sanctuary cities. With pro-illegal alien Mayors such as Antonio Villegriossa, Gavin Newson in California only in the well lit areas will ordinary Americans venture on to the streets, Ever since1950's England opened immigration to colonists under crown rule, people stay in their homes at night, because of the inception of muggings and much more pronounced criminal activity. If President Obama is motivated to unleash another AMNESTY. That condemns American taxpayers to paying for the chain migration of every family member who is sponsored. That means the IRS will have to--EVEN MORE MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS--because the senile, handicapped and the large family of brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers will not be exempt. It will not matter if they never paid into Social Security, because they can still collect SSI, (Supplemental Security Income) and in addition get taxpayer low income housing and other public assistance.

Reid-Akaka-Inouye-Begich-Bennet-Udall-Bingaman-Udall-Boxer-Feinstein-Brown-Burris-Durbin-Byrd-Rockefeller-Cantwell-Murray-Cardin-Mikulski-
Carper-Kaufman-Casey-Conrad-Dorgan-Dodd-Lieberman-Feingold-Kohl-Gillibrand-Schumer-Harkin-Johnson-Kerry-Landrieu-Shaheen-Leahy-Sanders-
Levin-Stabenow-Lincoln-Pryor-Menendez-Lautenberg-Merkley-Wyden-Nelson-Reed-Whitehouse-Reid-Warner and Lady Pelosi. Xavier Becerra, Luis Gutierrez, Jon Kyl, Jeff Flake could also used their influence. We need E.Verify as a permanent tool in immigration enforcement.


Then we have E-verify that was stripped from the Stimulus/Omnibus spending bills. Then we have some pro-illegal immigrant states charging taxpayers to underwrite the in-state, higher education of illegal alien students. Course by now--we know the left wingers, open border brain-dead zealots, are pushing President Obama, to enact another Amnesty, to enact the Dream Act and rescind E-Verify, Real ID Act---and then to purgatory for US workers. They even curtailed the employer letter that notified them that their worker didn't match the Social Security Number given. It is no wonder these liberal Socialists have lambasted any chance of a Federal ID card? Because the numbers would be staggering who who would be identified as an illegal foregn national. If they can overrule the US Constitution, they can sure ignore the en masse, discharging millions more impoverished people for the taxpayers wallets--AND NOT THE PREDATORY BUSINESSES THAT HIRE THEM Remember who--THE PEOPLES--Arch-Enemies are? US Chamber of Commerce, ACLU and K Street lobbyists and radical ethnocentralist groups who think we should have wide open borders.

The bottom line is that the survival of America depends on the "Rule of Law" that was specified by the framers of our nation. Not from the corruption of our overseers, who think--WE--are fodder for their corporate sponsorship. In this year of Democratic leadership, I see radical change coming. Some good like the monolithic problem of Universal health care, for all the legal population, which will make life easier for every Joe in the streets. The critics can say what they will, but before my step-daughter passed away from Cancer the insurance companies were unrelenting, non-compassionate dirreah. Whose only objective was to extort as much money from my family, to relieve the so called hardship of their stockholders. copiously rich they are still trying to get their "pound of Flesh" from my ex-spouse. In Fausts--Devine Comedy--the tortures in purgatory is to good for them. Including in this miasma of a stench should be equal appearances of the majority of our politicians in Washington. Of course their are many honest, hard working exceptions to the rule. But the many have sold their soul, for thirty pieces of Silver to the highest bidder, which in most cases is big business, who care nothing but the most profit accessed from the US taxpayer. We must all keep phoning Washington at: 202-224-3121; The President: 202-456-1414: The truth about the plague of illegal immigration, can be found at NUMBERSUSA. JUDICIAL WATCH, CAPSWEB.

Dave
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:07 PM



Yeah, phone those numbers and tell the government that it's time to give people who are willing to work for a living legal status in this country--which would alleviate the strain of incarcerating good people just because they had the courage to seek a better life for their families.

Tell them we want a work visa program that would provide a path to citizenship for the kinds of Americans the WWII generation would have welcomed with open arms: hard workers willing to sacrifice comfort in the name of freedom.

Tell them to stop kowtowing to rabble-rousing racists and invest in the people who have already invested their hard work in this country--the so-called "illegal workers." I'm glad Dad's dead because, if he weren't, it would have killed him to see hard work criminalized in the country he fought for. -- Stephanie Ramage

Stephanie Ramage
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 1:15 PM



story about illegal hard workers is nice! one problem we have millions of millions of people in our country from every part of the world! all are hard thoughtful hard workers in our nation? in fact we have so many nobody needs to hire U.S.? i see victims of illegal crime rape! murder! drunk drivers? path to citizenship does what? makes it legal? thats nice problem solver! plus h-1 h-2 visas? foreign refugees? seems to me your story does not see a true picture here" like replacement invaders picture? nice sympathy story but seem to over look what the future of this amnesty path to citizenship leads too future???? thrid world country? multi culture of madness? crime gangs crime victims and everything out of order type new world out of order america!!! slum cities? ghetto gang controled cities? example california? power to control and elect representives in our goverment? TAKE OVER our country because of cheap labor hard workers please! illegal population in california sends six more representives to congress because of the illegal population in state? added cost to american tax payers to pick up tabs for hard working invaders from all walks of life who just enter our open border country? this vision you do not see in your hard working illegal invaders story? nicely nice one sided story of sympathy for the invader story! your story would have merit if we were talking about thousands of illegal invaders but we are talking about millions and milliions of unkown invaders today live! that my thoughtful one is big time mover over we are taking over action by illegal invaders!!!! only a fool would play by your sympathy view! enforce deport is the only answer and secure our open borders and ports! uniform immigration policy system" back ground health and criminal checks and earn path to american citizenship speak english and earn a right to call him or her self a american citizen period. by grandfather grandmother did!!! system of legal immigration period. control control not give them control control system. INDEPENDENT truth justice and the american legal immigration way. AMEN.

frank
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 2:44 AM



Today, D.A. King sent out a message to many people entitled "Stephanie Ramage Revealed!" Well, as grateful as I am for the link and the many readers who will read my blog as a result, with all due respect to D.A., his showmanship has exceeded reality: There was nothing to "reveal." I have written about immigration many times before and my feelings about it are certainly no secret. In fact, a cursory Google search will turn up numerous comments by me expressing my views on the matter. Nonetheless, thanks for reading. --Very best, Stephanie Ramage

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 8:39 AM



I too admire people who are willing to work hard, however, your article overlooks the fact that there are an estimated more than 20 million illegal aliens in this country and only 7.2 million of them hold jobs, according to the PEW Hispanic Center. That number of "non working aliens" does not include children or the elderly.
So, what do you think the rest of them might be doing for a living? Many may be paid under the table or never file their 1099's, but there are also the drug dealers (and those growing pot in our National Forests), human traffickers, dealing in stolen Identities (what is the cost to American citizens to reclaim their own identities?), and yes there are armed robbers, rapists, and murderers who are illegal aliens also. With the number of home grown criminals we already have, why would we want to import more?
Not all Mexicans are illegal (my daughter in law is not) and not all illegals are Mexican. Unless they came here on a visa and allowed it to expire, they are here with no health check and no criminal background check.
The amnesty, and you cannot call the current version of immigration reform anything else, in 1986, did nothing more then open the doors for millions more people to come here illegally and wait for the next amnesty.
They come or, in the case of expired visa's, stay here, many using stolen or fake identities. They have no qualms about driving with no licence or insurance and run if they are in an accident without ever stoping to see if they have killed or seriously injured someone. Many of them have taken advantage of our tax payer paid government benefits, by having numerous children who become citizens under the 14th amendment, and those few who do pay taxes using ITIN's or stolen Social Security cards, usually claim so many dependants, that they pay very little into the system.
Do some research on the cost to American tax payers for the advantages offered to illegal aliens, many of whom do not want to become American citizens, they want the money to build their homes and retire in their own home country.
I don't believe that asking that our immigration laws be enforced is asking too much. There are many people who have filed the forms, paid the fees and are waiting with paperwork in hand who truly want to become American citizens. Do you tell them they were foolish to do things according to law, that they should just come to America illegally and wait for another amnesty?

Judy
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 9:45 AM



This article is a crock of b.s.. Hard working illegal aliens is not the point, the point is that they have indeed broken Federal U.S. immigration laws to come to the U.S., colonize, not learn the english language, take American citizens jobs, threaten our U.S. security, and take advantage of U.S. Citizens and our American way of life. Our hospitals, schools, city streets, jails and prisons are over run with illegal hispanic aliens that leech off of our U.S. systems; such as, health care, and bring more crime to the U.S., hispanic gangs to the U.S., drugs to the U.S., and the like than they do "honest" hard work. How can anyone be honest if they break U.S. law to come here in the first place!!!!! Has anyone heard of the War at Our Southern Border with Mexico???, have you heard about the Mexican Mafia and all the crime, drugs, and chaos and mayhem that they bring to our country???? Have you heard about our U.S. Border Patrol agents that are poisoned, killed, etc. at the hands of Mexican drug cartel gang members???!!!! What about that???? OUR NATION'S IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE ON OUR LAW BOOKS FOR A REASON, AND A VERY GOOD REASON, AND THAT REASON IS TO HAVE A SYSTEM OF LAW AND ORDER CONCERNING WHO WE LET INTO OUR COUNTRY AND WHO WE DO NOT! COMING TO THE U.S. IS NOT A RIGHT, IT IS A PRIVILEGE, AND BREAKING OUR LAWS TO COME HERE SHOWS DISRESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S CITIZENRY RIGHT FROM THE START. What about illegal hispanic aliens breaking in line on those TRUE U.S. IMMIGRANTS that are trying to immigrate to the U.S. lawfully???? Just let they get cut in line??? What about American citizens jobs in a time of economic depression??? Just let illegal hispanic aliens have those jobs desperately needed by U.S. Citzens???
What truly is the author of this article trying to say?; that she is a sympathizer to those who break our nation's immigration laws, and take advantage of our U.S. and it's citizens???!!! Man please, give the author of this article a ticket to leave our U.S. and go to Mexico, and see how she is treated there. For if you are not going to be for the United States, and the best interests of it's Citizens, then maybe you should renounce your U.S. citizenship and move to a hispanic country and be a citizen there, and then see how you are treated!

Lance
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 10:52 AM



I agree with Stephanie that there should be some kind of work visa that allows people to come here and work legally without becoming citizens. That is a legal process that allows us to control who is allowed here and who is not. On the other hand, we can't allow people who come here illegally to profit from their illegal behavior. The best way to do that is to severly punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Whether illegal immigrants are hard workers is irrelevant to the discussion. Hard work is not a free pass to break the law. Can't remember the source but someone famously said, "You can't have a welfare state with open borders." If Congress or President Obama wants to open our borders to any one who wishes to come here, it will destroy this nation. I cannot and will not support uncontrolled immigration and I will not tolerate people who break the law to come here, regardless of their reasons.

Curt
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:43 AM



What gets me is how Democrats think you can obey the laws you like and makeup reasons why you don't have to obey the other ones. But I am willing to make a trade, for every lazy Democrat that moves to Mexico let one ILLEGAL stay here.
Most Democrats want illegals here for sex reasons.
They pay the illegals a few bucks just to lick the dirty shoes that got them here.

tom
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 1:00 PM



Holy Cow... I slogged all the way through this masterpiece, my good deed for the day.

A weaker , less thought out argument I have not heard in a long while.

The writer is obviously of the opinion that we are somehow awful people for wanting the same thing that all other nations want: security and control of our destiny...sovereignty if you will.

One can only imagine what Ramage has against it, or why she drifts from illegals toi immigrants to Latinos. Methnks she wants to use ethnicity as an excuse for violation of the imigration laws.

Attacking D.A. King and Senator Chip Rogers subtracted from an already sub-par grade-school attempt to use the talking points provided to all willing journalists by the Soros funded nuts.

Why has she turned on American workers? Does she know what the unemployment rate is? Has she any knowledge of the cutbacks in services for Americans ? Does she care?

How much immigration is enough for people like this? ( answer: to Ramages there can never be enough immigration)

Grade: F...F + for the small amusment I got.

Somebody edit this woman...por favor !?

Arturo
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 1:11 PM



D.A. King has asked me to post the response he emailed to me because he doesn't want to bother with logging in on our site. Too much effort, I guess. Not surprising from a man who quit his job to devote himself full-time to denigrating those who come to this country to work and support their families. He says the issue is that they are illegals. I suspect the truth is their presence makes him and many others look and feel like slackers.

Let's be clear, I never said I support open borders (so those of you like Arturo who claim to have "slogged through" the whole entry are obviously lying if you think that I support open borders--sorry, Arturo, not only are you lying, but you're not even good at lying. In fact, I specifically said we need strong borders. Arturo apparently didn't score very well on reading comprehension tests if he DID read my post. But, since D.A. King called me shortly before Arturo's post and said he would have some of--I'll quote him--"my black and Latino"" (not sure why he thinks they belong to him) but okay--members call and respond to my saying the most rabid anti-illegal faithful are made up of many racist rabble-rousers then I will assume that Arturo is probably one of "D.A.'s" Latinos.

What I DO support is an expanded work visa program, a pragmatic, realistic and just solution to our immigration problem. At present, American taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year incacerating honest people who only want to be allowed to stay in this country to work an honest job and support their families. They may have crossed a border illegally, but they are not criminals. They are workers and we need them. More to the point, we need to give them legal status because 1) They're not going away 2) We need a way to collect taxes from them and allocate those taxes to a special health care fund so they can pay for their own health care--this would mean waiving their right to the entitlement programs that D.A. & Co. are worried about drying up before they can cash in on them.

So-called "illegal" workers ask themselves everyday what they can do for our country. D.A. & Co. ask everyday what our country can do for D.A. & Co. I have no idea how former Congressman Buddy Darden feels about the immigration debate, but he said something to me once about criminal law that I have never forgotten and I consider it the gold standard by which to judge the justness of laws. He said: "Good laws don't hurt good people."

The laws that D.A. King and Chip Rogers and their ilk are pushing hurt good people everyday--those laws hurt children, they hurt people who work for a living and who are law-abiding citizens. These laws aimed at "eradicating" illegal workers are bad laws. We need a real solution that will help America and Americans and that solution is a work visa program.

Now, here's D.A. response to my column. If you think it's arrogant, lazy and uncivil of someone to ask me to post their attack on me, I agree, but it's the kind of behavior that I've come to expect from the rabidly anti-immigrant crowd. -- Stephanie Ramage

Without further adieu, D.A. KIng, ladies and gentleman:

Yikes...Stephanie Ramage seems more than a little upset about the lack of progress on a repeat of the "one time" amnesty of 1986 that was to end illegal immigration forever.

Ramage is typical of the majority of far "form opinion now, find reason later" deep thinkers who can't let themselves see that until we actually control our borders and enforce our immigration laws, we can never have any meaningful or workable immigration policy.

But that is not what oh -so - noble Ramage & Co. are really after. Its open borders and everyone having an equal amount of stuff that drives these sadly comical people. Name calling and smearing are merely part of the no-holds-barred efforts from the 'we know best despite your silly laws' crowd.

News for "journalist" Stephanie Ramage. Your attack shows your arrogance. I am very proud of the fact that I grew up in lower working class America and since you brought it up with conjecture and dizzy lack of accuracy, I have picked cherries, apples and peaches in Northern Michigan, worked as rake man on an asphalt crew in Detroit, been a short order cook and busboy, a factory worker, a card carrying Teamster and have swung my share of swingblades.

My hope is that Americans can again soon be allowed to work such jobs in their own country with out the illegal competition from the taxpayer subsidized black-market labor that the criminal employers demand. For Ramage, apparently an "American" is anyone who can sneak past our Border Patrol Agents.

Ramage seems to ignore the fact that Black Americans and native born Hispanics are the first Americans negatively affected by the crime of illegal immigration.

One can only hope that Ramage gets her wish and has the life expanding opportunity to live next door to a small three-bedroom house filled with twenty illegals who mow their own lawn once a season... whether it needs it or not. Even cooler if they paint it pink and lime green with 6 vans in the front yard.

Space here does not allow for correcting all of Ramage's inaccuracies, but the whopper about illegal aliens going to no- cost American emergency rooms because they aren't citizens and can't get medical treatment elsewhere is a brilliant example.

Ramage is never going to admit that amnesty does not stop illegal immigration and her little doozy about borders and immigration being "two separate matters" is classic mindlessness.

We can only imagine what Ramage must think of the government of Mexico that deports nearly as many illegal aliens as we do each year, virtually al of whom are ...(OMIGAWD!)Latinos from Central America.

The comical and frustrated attack from Ramage is worn as (another) badge of amused honor here.

Gracias Steph!

D.A. King
Marietta

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 1:31 PM



Bad article filled with misinfo. Typical broad brush attack on anyone who advocates border security for any reason. Lots of name calling and stereotyping.
No one has a right to come to this country in violation of our immigration laws, and no one has a right to citizenship because they have successfully violated our laws for a certain period of time. Sorry Stephanie, your "arguments" have no validity.
The deliberate non-enforcement of our immigration laws is part of a larger agenda to merge the US with the rest of the hemisphere and create the lowest wage labor pool possible for multinational employers who couldn't care less about the nationalism or ethnicity of those who work for them. This agenda, at least at the national level, is being implemented by the leadership of both parties. People like Chip Rogers and DA King are battling at a local level policy which is being forced on the states by the federal government and is in direct violation of national law. Republicans George W. Bush and John McCain (and many others) were/are in favor of amnesty and citizenship for those who come here illegally.
Border security is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government. Perhaps you should do a little research into why this responsibility has been abdicated by the federal government instead of writing long winded articles attacking good people and calling them racists and haters.

Robert
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 1:54 PM



PLEASE! For the love of God, Stephanie, STOP writing! You're just digging yourself in deeper and deeper. I feel like I'm watching a car wreck in slow motion! There is no need to comment on your deluded content, others have done that for me. But I must second D.A. King's suggestion of the DESPERATE need for editing. I can only assume that your editor was on Spring Break. Or, maybe you get paid by the word?

Sue
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 2:57 PM



No, I won't stop writing. Digging myself deeper into what? Rationality? Common sense? You and your co-horts keep huffing and puffing in the bizarre hope that you will be able to keep out people who are already willing to give their lives to get here--people who are only breaking the law by crossing the border. Who do you think is hiring them? Who do you think is renting to them? Selling them cars? Teaching them? Doctoring them? The rest of us Americans. And there are many more of us than there are of you. It just so happens that you folks always seem to have a lot of time on your hands to blog, to march, to call up radio shows, you name it, you guys are really, really available. I can't imagine why. The rest of us are working, raising our kids, etc. And, in fact, I have to get back to other work now, but how is it that everytime there's an anti-immigrant rally down at the Capitol, you guys are immediately available? Are you filling your empty days with hatred and paranoia? -- Stephanie Ramage

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 3:11 PM



Geez...I thought D.A. King may have been exagerating, but this person is seriously demented.

BTW Ms. Ramage, in addition to you showing all of us your inability to reason, you also show us your ignorant pretension: While you were trying to counter King's response before it is even posted, you end the tirade with " "without further adieu"... Adieu is a french word meaning goodbye or farewell. I must assume you meant "ado" which is an English word meaning " heightened fuss or concern : to-do 2 : time-wasting bother over trivial details ..."

You kill me.

I am told that there are actually liberals out there who consider logic to be "racist" because it does not result in the pre-determined answer to a question.

I am an immigrant who came here legally and I cannot tell you how much I resent your abuse in using my personal objection to illegals as being 'anti-immigrant".

I assume that logic has no place in the little world you hide out in. Also that someone has put you up to this attack...internet smear tactics Ms. Ramage?

I agree with Sue above: take a breath abd stop showing all of your cards - the deck is missing quite a few of them.

YOU ARE THE TYPICAL MINDLESS TOOL THAT WILL RESULT IN THE LOSS OF THE NATION MOST AMERICANS LOVE.

Arturo
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 3:43 PM



French is my second language so I sometimes slip into it, but you're right Arturo, I meant "ado." My oldest brothers and sisters took Spanish in high school--back in the 1960s it was a required course at many public schools in America. Maybe, just maybe, it was our public attitude toward such things that allowed Latino immigrants to assimilate much more easily then than now.

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 3:56 PM



PS--Arturo, I don't "hide" anywhere. Nor does anyone put me up to anything. I'm right here, front and center. I put myself on the line for what I believe in everyday and what I believe in is a work visa program that will help America and will save millions from living lives of shadow and secrecy.

A work visa program will allow legal status for people already working in this country and it will allow for a financial mechanism to fund health care for those workers which they would pay for themselves out of their own taxes. A work visa program taxes the workers at a higher rate, thereby negating any cost to the country's public services. It also gives them a limited legal status that allows the government to keep track of them. It would also save us many millions of dollars in incarceration costs because at present we are locking up seamstresses, roofers, nannies and landscapers while criminals guilty of rape and agg assault, who are citizens, are allowed to go free because we don't have space in our jails.

We need an expanded work visa program and we need it now.

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 4:05 PM



Oh, Arturo, do you think someone "put [me] up to it" because I'm a woman? You think sweet little things can't have strong opinions and a clear sense of right and wrong in public policy? Not to besmirch your manhood, but I obviously have bigger balls than you do--I use my full name when I post. What's yours?

Stephanie Ramage
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 4:12 PM



Dear God, Stephanie. You need a lesson in brevity. WAY too many details on your personal life experience! I’m certain you lost the interest of the majority of readers half way through your rant.
Reading this opinion piece was nothing short of painful… only to come to the conclusion that you are incapable of presenting a valid argument with any sort of legitimate, non-emotional evidence to support your point of view.

Deece
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 4:28 PM



I think I have figured out what her problem is. Insanity runs in her family, especially if she actually believes this garbage she writes. The misinformation she posts is so easily struck down if you only google it. She is assuredly nothing but a bleeding heart liberal like those that think they'll get another amnesty passed. Well Steph, dream on, we've stopped it before and we will again. We will not reward lawbreakers with something as presious as citizenship.

Bobbie
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 5:52 PM



Stephanie,

Stop rambling so much about how good these illegals are to you during these potentially devastating times. "They work so hard!!!" According to you they are superhuman. Go look in the mirror and admit your not as good (of a worker) as they are, and that your father never was either, assuming your Caucasian. repeat it into the mirror at least fifty times.

You are one person, you don't represent most Americans, let's be clear on that. One hundred years ago is not relative to today either.

Most of the products built now are built in China, that could qualify them as the hardest working culture. According to you we should take on their unemployed,or do they live too far away to qualify?
What you don't seem to understand is control, of which you have none.

Look up the word "control" in the dictionary and meditate about it. Make sure you understand this very important word before you regurgitate the same old non-sense.

Robert
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 5:55 PM



Hi Stephanie:

It's not about "work," even a little bit. The world has billions of people who would willingly come here and live as virtual slaves for the opportunity. Is this the future you want for your child, competing with the LCD? Some people I know think their offspring will somehow float on top of the coming multicultural mess they encourage. I don't see it unless there's already a boatload of money and influence in the family tree, but keep on believing.

You were a hostess and had to open doors between corporate gigs for a while. Some people actually do that for their entire lives. Not really hearing the violins here, but your cronies who made fun of you for taking this work must be sh*ts*acks of the worst type.

It's not all bad. I do agree with much of what you say about the work ethic. It's just irrelevant to the issue.

Anyway, that's not what prompted me to write you. It was your treatment of D.A. King.

I've never met D.A. King, nor am I a member of his organization. We've exchanged some emails and I receive his daily. I respect what he's trying to do, but in my opinion he ignores reality, as do you.

You see, I'm a "racist" by contemporary definition. This means I notice obvious things, make conclusions and state them. While this is SOP for the rest of humanity, unfortunately, I'm White. (It gets worse. I'm a man, a Christian and I carry firearms. I'm Joy Behar's bete noire.)

I wrote roughly the same thing to D.A. years ago and we agreed to part ways at that point. He was totally unwilling to recognize the demographic certainty of what's going on. He's determined to keep his effort strictly about enforcing the laws. It makes me laugh when people imply he's a racist. He's on the SPLC "Hate Watch" list. He's never said one thing about race, yet he's a "racist" because he points out the laws our rulers are ignoring.

Important people can't come up with a birth certificate, so I can see why the whole "laws" thing isn't a big deal for many at this point. "If it feels good, do it." Perhaps a way to live a failed life, but not a motto for a government.

When it comes down to it, logic and facts are trumped by name-calling in our society.

FYI, D.A. King was also Marine. I think he's put in the work to have a say in this discussion. You do yourself a disservice with vague ad hominem jabs which imply he's a man of leisure.

Watch how quickly the DA people shift their focus to disavowing me from you because of this post. You owe me dinner at one of your fancy restaurants.

Kevin
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 8:08 PM



" A nation that doesn't do its own work s not a nation, it is a plantation."--Buzz

At a time when the unemployment rates are sky-high and tents cities of homeless unemployed are popping up around the country, the U.S. government continuous to bring in 138,000 foreigners with green cards work permits everery month month, while our self-serving "journalist here says we need to bring in even more. If nothing else, ya gotta love her chitzpah.

Mike
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 10:13 PM



Stephanie, In my earlier post, I believe I gave some valid points for enforcing our immigration laws but you have not countered those points. Instead, you have called people Rabid, Lying and slackers.
I think it is very rare that we incarcerate "honest people" in this country and yes, if they are here illegally, and using fraudulent papers, then they are considered by law, criminals. "Good laws don't hurt good people" but good people follow the laws. Also, it is not the laws that hurt the children, it is the parents who make the decision to put those children in that situation who are hurting the children and the parents are the ones who should take responsibility.
You speak of people giving their lives to come here, have you considered that most of those who made it across our borders illegally, again their responsibility, paid a coyote approximately $8,000 to sneak them into this country? That would have fed their "starving families" for quite a while.
You talk about people who have time to blog, I have plenty of time. I worked for 50 years at many different jobs, the last 5 years standing on a concrete floor working 12 hour shifts and now I am retired so I can blog. I am a 65 year old woman who raised four children to adulthood and I didn't do it by "slacking" and still don't since I live on a farm and handle the accounting and many farm chores.
I too am a published author and I did not find it necessary to call those I disagreed with derogatory names in order to get published.

Judy
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:20 PM



What we need is a work visa program that will allow those who want to work and support their families to do so. They would be taxed at a higher rate, and the tax revenue would be used to pay for their use of public services. Their taxes, for example, could fund their health care which they could access with their work visa cards.

It's absolutely illogical to say that you don't approve of something on the basis of illegality. You and I probably don't approve of speeding, either, but I guarantee that I am probably over the speed limit at some point every week. Illegality itself is no basis for what does or does not belong in our society. Instead, we decide what's illegal because there are things we don't want in our society. I don't dislike pot smoking because it's illegal. I dislike it because it demotivates young people when they need to be taking life by the horns and meeting challenges.

The issue for the anti-immigrant crowd is not the illegality and here's the proof: If President Obama made all the illegals legal with the stroke of a pen, these anti-immigrant folks would be furious, so clearly removing the illegality doesn't solve the problem--which means the illegality wasn't the problem in the first place.

Our immigration laws are absurd. They are bad laws. Good laws don't hurt good people and our laws, particularly here in Georgia, hurt good people. They put hard-working moms and dads in jail and they teach little children that hard work is punished in America.

A work visa program would allow the authorities to separate out those who want to stay here and work and pay taxes and those who don't. It is absolutely the smartest thing we can do.

Stephanie Ramage
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 7:10 AM



It has become common place to see articles written by activist such as Stephanie Ramage suggesting that if we require our law enforcement officials to enforce our laws…we are un-American…and of course the illegal criminal invaders are always portrayed as victims and/or heroes.

It is laughable to hear the pro-opened border advocates refer to people who have stolen across the borders through tunnels and in the dark of night refer to “rights” for these criminals. Allow me to be perfectly clear…anyone who comes to America illegally is an illegal alien and “rights” were never meant for illegal alien invaders. There doesn’t exist enough revisionists of our laws or our Constitution to change those facts. The Chamber of Commerce, the ACLU, medias, and all the other opened border advocates who suggest Americans disregard our immigration laws and encourage this criminal invasion to continue should be publicly rebuked.

There are many bogus and downright ignorant statements in your article, Ms. Ramage, but the one that really got my attention: “Our country was built on the blood and sweat of people who did not believe in entitlement. They were people who were brave enough to risk their lives and give up everything they had to come here to be able to…WORK”.

Don’t even try to equate those who steal across the borders with those who came by Ellis Island and come here today through proper channels. These illegal aliens come here to live off the sweat of the American taxpayer while wiring the tax free money they receive back to Mexico. The Mexican government waits for these remittances. Fools in America are still trying to call this “cheap labor”. There is nothing cheap about it. Since 9/11 over 60000 people have been killed on American soil at the hands of these illegals. Thousands of women raped. Hospitals and clinics all across America have had to scale back or close their doors due to being made by our own government to treat the illegals or give care to the tens of thousands of women who come here to give birth to their “anchor baby”. No fault auto insurance continues to climb. 49 cities that were made to build schools and provide Medicaid are now reporting budget deficits. Property taxes to pay for all these new schools built to accommodate the Mexicans are skyrocketing…this while Americans are trying to hang onto their homes and feed their kids. Veterans Homes and Nursing Homes have gone from bad to horrible for lack of funding. This all the while governments rush to spend $369 billion a year on the cost of illegals. The huge cost of a drug addicted America is unknown. The simple solution would be to close the border and stop sacrificing Americans for the Mexican government whose thirst for drug money can’t seem to be quenched.

Professor Grayson of William and Mary…an expert on Mexico states: “The Drug issue and the illegal immigration issue are linked, because often those newcomers who are in this country without the proper documentation are the social infrastructure for the cartels. That is, they serve as look-outs. They serve as distributors. They aid and abet the illegal activities”.

Recent reports coming from the FBI point to that statement as fact:

FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.
The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. The gang population estimate is up 200,000 since 2005.

Another truth not often mentioned: “This invasion crisis can be linked to just about every problem in our country! It's absolutely riddled our national security with deadly results and added mega billions to our tax debt; it's made our borders virtually meaningless and our law and justice systems apparently irrelevant”.

Ms. Ramage, I suggest you need to read America’s existing laws regarding immigration. If you don’t understand them the first time…then read them again. Omission of laws and choosing only those you want enforced brings you to the murder and mayhem that is a way of life in Mexico.

Dare I remind you that the overwhelming majority of Americans are opposed to illegal aliens taking jobs from them and placing additional financial burden on the middle class. Are you ignorant of the fact that middle-class taxpayers are the disproportionate financiers of illegals when it comes to providing housing, schools, schooling, health services, paying for the 500,000-plus children they are having yearly, and the cost of prosecuting them for their crimes.

Linda
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 10:00 AM



Interesting how you threw the gangs in there without actually saying the gangs are Latino--because you can't. The vast majority of gangs in America are not Latino and they are not made up of illegal immigrants. They are made up of native born Americans.

By forcing the Latinos into a cultural ghetto through oppressive and irrational laws, we have nurtured the conditions for lawlessness. By criminalizing them we have insured that the only group of people comfortable with associating with illegal immigrant youth are criminals.
Yet, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are law abiding people. Yet another testatment to their value to this nation.

And, by the way, you took Dr. Grayson out of context. Shame on you.

Stephanie Ramage
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 10:20 AM



Stephanie...yes, we did note that yesterday you said you posted with your full name and then 18 minutes later went back on your own blog and added your last name to "Stephanie".

I am very grateful to D.A. King for s numbers steady — about 10,000 in the U.S. — even as many illegal immigrant members are deported.

The FBI, which has two agents in El Salvador to help identify and track members in Central America and the United States, plans to dispatch four more agents to Guatemala and Honduras, Escorza says.

"They evolve and adapt," he says. "They know what law enforcement is doing. Word of mouth spreads quickly."

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Arturo
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 11:32 AM



FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime

By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.
The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

"A rising number of U.S.-based gangs are seemingly intent on developing working relationships" with U.S. and foreign drug-trafficking organizations and other criminal groups to "gain direct access to foreign sources of illicit drugs," the report concludes.

The gang population estimate is up 200,000 since 2005.

Bruce Ferrell, chairman of the Midwest Gang Investigators Association, whose group monitors gang activity in 10 states, says the number of gang members may be even higher than the report's estimate.

"We've seen an expansion for the last 10 years," says Ferrell, who has reviewed the report. "Each year, the numbers are moving forward."

'Growing threat' on the move

The report says about 900,000 gang members live "within local communities across the country," and about 147,000 are in U.S. prisons or jails.

"Most regions in the United States will experience increased gang membership … and increased gang-related criminal activity," the report concludes, citing a recent rise in gangs on the campuses of suburban and rural schools.

Among the report's other findings:

•Last year, 58% of state and local law enforcement agencies reported that criminal gangs were active in their jurisdictions, up from 45% in 2004.

•More gangs use the Internet, including encrypted e-mail, to recruit and to communicate with associates throughout the U.S. and other countries.

•Gangs, including outlaw motorcycle groups, "pose a growing threat" to law enforcement authorities along the U.S.-Canadian border. The U.S. groups are cooperating with Canadian gangs in various criminal enterprises, including drug smuggling.

Assistant FBI Director Kenneth Kaiser, the bureau's criminal division chief, says gangs have largely followed the migration paths of immigrant laborers.

He says the groups are moving to avoid the scrutiny of larger metropolitan police agencies in places such as Los Angeles. "These groups were hit hard in L.A." by law enforcement crackdowns, "but they are learning from it," Kaiser says.

MS-13 far-flung from L.A. incubator

One group that continues to spread despite law enforcement efforts is the violent Salvadoran gang known as MS-13.

Michael Sullivan, the departing director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says the gang's dependence on shocking violence to advance extortion, prostitution and other criminal enterprises has frustrated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt the insular group's activities.

"MS-13's foothold in the U.S. is expanding," Sullivan says.

Kaiser says the street gang is in 42 states, up from 33 in 2005. "Enforcement efforts have been effective to a certain extent, but they (gang members) keep moving," he says.

MS-13 is the abbreviation for the gang also known as Mara Salvatrucha. The group gained national prominence in the 1980s in Los Angeles, where members were linked to incidents involving unusual brutality.

Since then, it has formed cells or "cliques" across the U.S., says Aaron Escorza, chief of the FBI's MS-13 National Gang Task Force.

The task force was launched in 2004 amid concerns about the gang's rapid spread. Gang members were targeted in broad investigations similar to those used to bust organized crime groups from Russia and Italy.

Among law enforcement efforts:

•Omaha: The last of 24 MS-13 members swept up on federal firearms charges and conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine were sentenced last year in the largest bust since the group emerged there in 2004.

The gang's strength dimmed as a result, but the nine-month probe did not eradicate the group, says Ferrell, who assisted in the investigation.

•Nashville: During the last two years, 14 MS-13 members pleaded guilty on charges ranging from murder to obstruction of justice.

Davidson County, Tenn., Sheriff Daron Hall, whose jurisdiction includes Nashville, says MS-13 started growing there about five years ago, corresponding with an influx of immigrant labor.

Last April, county officials began checking the immigration status of all arrestees. "We know we have removed about 100 gang members, including MS-13," to U.S. authorities for deportation, Hall says.

•Maryland: Earlier this month, federal authorities said they had convicted 42 MS-13 members since 2005. More than half were charged in a "racketeering conspiracy" in which members participated in robberies and beatings and arranged the murders of other gang members, according to Justice Department documents.

In one case, Maryland gang members allegedly discussed killing rivals with an MS-13 leader calling on a cellphone from a Salvadoran jail, the documents say.

Escorza says a "revolving door" on the border has kept the gang's numbers steady — about 10,000 in the U.S. — even as many illegal immigrant members are deported.

The FBI, which has two agents in El Salvador to help identify and track members in Central America and the United States, plans to dispatch four more agents to Guatemala and Honduras, Escorza says.

"They evolve and adapt," he says. "They know what law enforcement is doing. Word of mouth spreads quickly."



Arturo
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 11:34 AM



I was already signing off with my last name and it was perfectly obvious that I was Stephanie Ramage because it's MY blog and I was referring to my own blog entry.

Futhermore, as I have said, it's our lack of legal status for workers that has pushed their kids into a shadow world of crime. It was our refusal to deal pragmatically with the issue, by instituting a work visa program, that nurtured and fostered the conditions for that criminality. We can reverse it by allowing illegal workers legal status.

See my post above regarding how a work visa program helps law enforcment separate those who work and pay taxes from criminals in the undocumented immigrant community.

Stephanie Ramage
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 11:43 AM



NO…shame of you Stephanie

For people like you…there is no lie too big…no deed too dirty…the end justifies the means.

Professor Grayson’s comment is an actual word for word transcript...PERIOD… No need to debate that fact.



http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/19/atlanta.drug.cartels/index.html


http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/10/12/mexican_drugs_atlanta.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=13


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/19/atlanta.drug.cartels/index.html


Mexican cartels plague Atlanta

By Larry Copeland and Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY

ATLANTA — In a city where Coca-Cola, United Parcel Service and Home Depot are the titans of industry, there are new powerful forces on the block: Mexican drug cartels.
Their presence and ruthless tactics are largely unknown to most here. Yet, of the 195 U.S. cities where Mexican drug-trafficking organizations are operating, federal law enforcement officials say Atlanta has emerged as the new gateway to the troubled Southwest border.

Rival drug cartels, the same violent groups warring in Mexico for control of routes to lucrative U.S. markets, have established Atlanta as the principal distribution center for the entire eastern U.S., according to the Justice Department's National Drug Intelligence Center.

In fiscal year 2008, federal drug authorities seized more drug-related cash in Atlanta — about $70 million — than any other region in the country, Drug Enforcement Administration records show.

This year, more than $30 million has been intercepted in the Atlanta area — far more than the $19 million in Los Angeles and $18 million in Chicago.

Atlanta has not seen a fraction of the violence that engulfs much of northern Mexico, but law enforcement officials are increasingly concerned about the cartels' expanding operations here.
"The same folks who are rolling heads in the streets of Ciudad Juárez" — El Paso's Mexican neighbor — "are operating in Atlanta. Here, they are just better behaved," says Jack Killorin, who heads the Office of National Drug Control Policy's federal task force in Atlanta.

The same regional features that appeal to legitimate corporate operations — access to transportation systems and proximity to major U.S. cities — have lured the cartels, Atlanta U.S. Attorney David Nahmias says.

Explosive Hispanic growth
An added attraction for the cartels, say Nahmias and Rodney Benson, the DEA's Atlanta chief, is the explosive growth of the Hispanic community.
Nahmias calls northeast suburban Gwinnett County, about 30 miles northeast of Atlanta, the "epicenter" of the region's drug activity.

Gwinnett's Hispanic population surged from 8,470 in 1990 to 64,137 in 2000, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. Now, 17% of the county's 776,000 people are Hispanic.
"You see Mexican drug-trafficking operations deploying representatives to hide within these communities in plain sight," Benson says. "They were attempting to blend into the same communities as those who were hard-working, law-abiding people."

The cartel representatives here range from the drivers, packagers and money counters to senior figures in the drug trade.

"We've got direct linkages between cartel representatives who take their orders from cartel leadership in Mexico," Benson says.
From the border, shipments of marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin are routed over land to Atlanta for storage in a network of stash houses. They are then moved to distribution operations in the Carolinas, Tennessee, the Mid-Atlantic, New York and New England.

Cash is generally moved over the same routes back to the Atlanta area, where balance sheets are reconciled. The bundles of money are turned over to transportation units for bulk shipments back to Mexico, Benson says.
Concern over violence

Although the level of drug-related violence in Mexico has not surfaced in the Atlanta area, recent incidents have raised concerns among law enforcement officials.

Last July, for example, a Rhode Island man who allegedly owed $300,000 to Atlanta-based traffickers was found chained to a wall in the basement of a Lilburn, Ga., home, located in western Gwinnett County.

Benson says the man had been blindfolded, gagged and beaten. Federal investigators, who were s set up perfectly for these kinds of activities."
Johnson reported from Washington, D.C.

Linda
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 12:04 PM



I further meant to state…for those who live in Atlanta and surrounding areas…and have by some miracle been insulated from what is happening…I challenge you to Google:

Mexican Cartels in Atlanta. There are dozens of articles…about Georgia being reported in cities across the United States.

Ms. Ramage…your allegiance to these people could be served better on the other side of the border.

As for me…I am more worried about Americans who are suffering. Millions of unemployed with job layoffs being reported daily should have everyone paying attention.

To ALL Georgians, who are aware that Atlanta is now referred to as the “other Mexican Border”, this should not be a question of whether we will enforce 287g…but a question of how fast we can round up illegal invaders and deport them to their country and to the care of their own government.

MEXICO IS RICH:

Our border provides an escape valve which lets the Mexican political and economic elite off the hook in terms of providing opportunities for their own people. One of the many very wealthy Mexicans who do not wish to pay taxes finds a better payback in loaning money to the beleaguer New York Times. The New York Times of course will write articles to advance opened borders for Mexico’s non-English speaking, unskilled, uneducated, citizens. This leaves Carlos Slim with paying little or no taxes in Mexico. The conglomerate of Slim-controlled telecom, banking, tobacco, retailing, insurance, construction, and other interests has been estimated to add up to 7 percent of Mexico's GDP. When Mexican presidents complain that the "dignity" of Mexicans living illegally in America requires that they receive free healthcare on the U.S. taxpayer's dime, he is really talking about increased remittances to keep their whole corrupt system afloat. It's up to Mexico to solve its problem, and basically the wealthy classes do not want to tax themselves.

The Southern Border is the main source of methamphetamines, cocaine, heroin, marijuana. Whether you are Black or White, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, ALL should be concerned about what the continued drug trafficking is doing to the youth in America. We have already lost generations of our youth to this poison that the Mexican government with the help of their military openly and willingly exports to our once great USA. This could have been stopped years ago. Our own government allowed our youth to become addicted to this poison… and now…they side with Mexico in blaming America’s drug consumption for the evils of the Mexican government. However, I hear no one mentioning the fact that for years drug dealers were allowed to become a permanent fixture on school grounds here in America…essentially promoting addiction.

Everyone needs to stop catering to open-border advocates, the Chamber of Commerce and the ACLU lobbying groups. You do need to think about what it is doing to our (mine and your) children and grandchildren. The benefit that it will give to a few in the work force is far out-weighted by the horrible negatives we see every day with crime, rape, and drugs flowing like water and double digit unemployment.

With the housing market collapse and reports of states reporting billions in budget deficits on a daily basis, surely we must see the illegal alien equation is destroying any future for America. Georgia has her own homegrown poor and needy that are going without. We do NOT need to take on the social ills of another country. With double digit unemployment, we are now seeing American citizens who once kept the soup kitchens and shelters supplied for those who would not, or could not work….become the recipient of those services.

This is a serious issue for the state of Georgia and Americans everywhere. We do not need to follow the lead of the indifferent Federal government that has willfully, knowingly destroyed the most economically successful nation in history. We need to protect Georgia’s jobs, children, and future. The best tool we have now is 287g. Ignore the lies put out by the ACLU to use racial profiling as an excuse to stop enforcement. Fight to make sure our laws stay alive, healthy and enforced.

Linda
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 12:16 PM



Linda,

Dr. Grayson isn't quoted in any of the articles you just provided as "proof" that you didn't take him out of context. Not one. Not in the transcript that you copied and pasted into your comment and not in the CNN and AJC linked stories--and by the way, two of those links were to the same story. Were you actually trying to make it look like you had "proof," thinking that no one would bother to actually read what you were referring to as proof?

Stephanie Ramage
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 12:17 PM



You are clueless and apparently not equipped in any way to debate your mindless dribble:


GRAYSON: I think our officials in Washington are really literally and maybe metaphorically whistling past the graveyard. There are more cartels than ever. They're active in a greater number of areas, and they're committing increasingly heinous violence against their victims. And so I see the war on drugs as being lost, and that conditions are deteriorating with regard to narco trafficking and also with regard to the Mexican economy.

DOBBS: Let's go through a few of these issues, because I said you're an expert on U.S.-Mexico relations. You're also an expert on Mexico itself, and have spent considerable time there, and an author of a number of books.

Let me turn first to the issue of the economy itself in Mexico. I think many people don't realize the degree to which Mexico, with a government that is not only incompetent, and I'm not talking about in terms of having improved, because it certainly has over the course of the past decade. But it is incompetent, it is corrupt, and that bears some considerable responsibility for what is transpiring there. The economy -- Mexico is dependent upon the export of its poorest people to the United States, $25 billion a year in remittances, dependent on the drug trade, 25 to $50 billion a year in revenue from the drug trade returning to Mexico. And that compares to about a $75 billion trade surplus with the United States. To what degree can that economy hold up when it's being torn us under by this level of violence?

GRAYSON: It's probably going to decline by two or three percent this year. Oil prices are going to plummet for Mexico next year, and I would suspect that the decrease in the gross domestic product will be of the order of 4 or 5 percent. That will send even more illegal aliens to the border, trying to get into the United States.

And the drug issue and the illegal immigration issue are linked, because often those newcomers who are in this country without the proper documentation are the social infrastructure for the cartels. That is, they serve as look-outs. They serve as distributors. They aid and abet the illegal activities.

Linda
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 1:27 PM



You took him out of context, Linda. Dr. Grayson is was talking about violence WITHIN Mexico.

He supports stronger borders, as do I, but I also support a path to citizenship--a work visa program-- for those undocumented workers already here. I can find no indication that Grayson opposes such a measure.

You and co-horts need to stop thinking that the two are one and the same issue. They are not.

Here's a bit about Dr. Grayson from W&M:

"The College of William and Mary may be thousands of miles away from Mexico and its current war against rising drug violence, but George Grayson, a Mexico scholar here at the College, doesn’t hesitate to emphasize its importance to all of the United States. An estimated 6,290 drug-related murders occurred in Mexico last year alone, and many see the Mexican government’s inability to curtail it as indication of it being a “failed state,” but others, like Grayson, see that as an exaggeration. In USA TODAY and a San Francisco Chronicle article, he acknowledges that some areas have been overrun by drug cartels, but says, "I'm in the heart of Mexico City as we speak, and the buses are full of people, the metros are running, the shops are open and people are walking freely. I don't see anything that looks like a failed state."

http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2009/out-of-context-faculty-inform-the-media003.php


Stephanie Ramage
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 2:12 PM



Stephanie is obivously right.

The USA does not now have a worker visa program (S)..we don't allow workers to come fill jobs here for reduced wages while unemployment is more than 8%.

Facts are meaningless and she knows best.

You are all wrong ,as is the majority of American opinion our laws and tradition.

Let everyone in the world come here and be better off than they were in their own nation.

I see what King meant..she wants everyone to have the same amopunt of stuff. Any other concept other is "unfair"
Americans live too well..

Stephanie wins... strong borders, but let everyone in.

I feel sorry for Stephanie...lets all make marguaritas!

Arturo
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 11:39 PM



http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/mecha/archive/plan.html

EL PLAN DE AZTLÁN
El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán
In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent

Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.

For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada.


Program
El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlán, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society - the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional - to La Causa.


Nationalism
Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza can agree upon.



Organizational Goals
1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through indepen-dent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!

Action

1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence.

2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and its personnel to meet the needs of our community.

3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child.

4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán.

5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztlán is the plan of liberation!

Back to MEChA de Tejaztlan Homepage

Arturo
Thursday, April 09, 2009 at 11:56 PM



Dear Stephanie,

My husband and I have been loyal readers of The Sunday Paper since it showed up on shelves here in Atlanta. We have cheered you on emphatically with your quest to make Shirley Franklin accountable for the mess she's made of Atlanta, and have enjoyed and looked forward each week to reading your columns. However, I'm quite shocked and disappointed to read your stance on illegal immigrants.

I deeply respect that your views are rooted in the way your father saw the issue. But he was looking at it from a view completely different than the reality of now.

We are not racist by ANY definition - and the mere fact that we oppose the presence of illegal immigrants makes us racist is extremely offensive. I'm not on any band-wagon, I'm not unnecesarily rabble-rousing. We are coming from a place of experience.

It seems contradictory that you care so much about crime in the city of Atlanta, and that you ignore the crime perpetrated by the vast illegal immigrant population. Note, I did NOT say "perpetrated by - the MAJORITY of, or MOST of - the vast illegal immigrant population". Could it be that it's because most of the illegal immigrant population lives outside of the Atlanta city limits that you've turned a blind-eye to those crime stats?

From this article in your blog I feel that you have a predjudice against people who don't work in the white collar world. You talk of "having to take a job as a hostess". That is a very short sided view of Americans. That attitude is the kind that perpetuates the views that "illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do". That's hogwash.



Jason and Kim
Saturday, April 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM



Part 2

Sorry, it posted before I finished, somehow.

You talk of your father taking the "menial" jobs of farming, driving a truck, running a store, cooking in a restaurant, and delivering milk/goods. You talk of yourself having to work in daycare and as a hostess. Those are the kind of jobs that keep our country running. The fact that you - and many others in this country - think these are menial in the first place is one of our countries biggest problems. MANY Americans PROUDLY support their families with these jobs, and you are doing them a great disservice. It's getting harder for them though because the illegal labor force has driven down wages to a point that no one can live on these wages unless they live in over-crowded homes and apartments - which I see first-hand every day IS happening.

In your blog you write "King and others like him make a distinction between “legal and illegal” because they do not actually understand what it means to be American.". While I don't know him personally, I do know Billy and Kathy Inman, who are what's left of the family that is the basis for the Dustin Inman Society. They lost their 16 year old son, and Kathy basically lost her life - she's in a wheelchair and in excruciating pain every moment for the rest of her life barring a miracle - because of an illegal alien that ran off from the hospital and diappeared into the ether. My husband and I lost a best friend, he was stabbed in the heart by an illegal who got off on aggrivated assault because his lawyer painted our black friend as a racist. He was a newly engaged father of two girls, living in, restoring, and planning on buying a townhouse in a predominately hispanic neighborhood in Sandy Springs near I-285. My husband and I were rear-ended on Roswell Rd in 2003 by an illegal immigrant from Africa who had no insurance, lied about it to the officer, and disappeared into the ether when it came time to account for her actions. Thank God we had un-insured motorist coverage to help with the bills from the injuries that I sustained, that still affect me today. How about the 9 year old kid (of legal immigrants) that was murdered with an ax in Sandy Springs in '08 or'07 by an illegal - he was caught. How about the 14 year old that was raped in our apartment complex by an illegal a couple of months ago - he was not caught. The graffiti, the gangs, the drug cartels.

You talk about "knowing your history", but have you ever read the history of Ellis Island? My decendents and most of those you are talking about when you say that "America was built on the backs and sweat of immigrants" had to come into America LEGALLY, through Ellis Island. You were not allowed to enter this country if you were diseased - many diseases are re-appearing in America from these countries as well as bed bugs! You were not allowed to enter this country if you had no skills with which to support yourself and your family. You were not even allowed in America if you were a single woman unless you could show you had someone who would take care of you. You support securing our borders, but insist that it is not tied to the problem with illegal immigration. I take great exception to that. 90% of the illegals I've encountered have little or no respect for our laws, customs, or even our land. They think it's funny that they don't know English (and pretend to know a lot less than they do most of the time) and love to insult us in very vulgar ways in Spanish. I know from first hand experience. You should see the parking lot of my apartment complex in Sandy Springs on a Sunday morning. Broken bottles, trash, empty cases of Corona propped up against my car.

There REALLY is a movement, sponsored by the Mexican government, to take back a lot of the SouthWest of America. I have heard that first-hand from illegal immigrants. They've told us the rhetoric and even drawn us maps of the part of America that is "theirs". They are encouraged to have as many babies as possible because that "roots" them in America.

As I stated above, my most of my descendents came through Ellis Island. My great-grandparents had to be separated with him here and her in Italy with her in-laws and 5 kids for years just to get here legally. Family and friends have served- - and are serving in our Armed Forces to keep our beloved country safe. My favorite song my whole life has been the "Star Spangled Banner" and I get up every time I hear it, put my hand firmly over my heart, and cry for those that have lost their lives defending it, and their families, with goose-bumps on my arms and legs. And I don't know what it means to be an American?!?

You talk like the illegals actually pay taxes. Well, how could you do this legally without a Social Security Number? They pirate ours. I've had this happen to me, someone used my SSN to work here and file taxes illegally, twice. Not a fun thing to try to fix. Work Visas? Sure! Just do it LEGALLY. And the draconian immigration laws you speak of, try staying past your VISA in Mexico. See how you like the inside of a Mexican prison.

Diversity is what has made our country the incredible place it is. We are envied by the world for our freedoms of speech, religion, and expression. But I respectfully submit that that's not something that should be taken lightly - as is IS for those that just stroll over our borders and demand services and rights. It needs to be earned and respected. I'm ALL FOR immigration into our country. But legally.

I honestly don't see how that makes me a racist.

Respectfully,
Kim Wood

Anonymous
Saturday, April 11, 2009 at 1:32 PM



Ramage shows an appalling lack of understanding of our immigration system. After reading through a lot of rambling she says the following:

“The answer to the immigration dilemma is actually pretty simple. We must create a work visa program sooner rather than later.”

I got news for you, Ramage, but the U.S. has many guest worker visa programs. In fact we let more guest workers into our nation than any other nation in the history of mankind. Once of the first ones in recent history was the Bracero program in the 1950’s. Since then our guest worker programs have been dismal failures, which may explain why you don’t know about them.

The U.S. let’s foreign workers into the country for every type of career and profession imaginable – even writers. Sometimes it’s an improvement – especially when incompetent Americans like Ramage are replaced by foreign labor.

Go to this web page just to get an idea of the enormous number of “nonimmigrants” we allow into this country to take our jobs (note this table doesn’t include the 140,000 work based green cards that we issue per year:

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY08-AR-TableXVI(B).pdf

The zaniest argument she makes is to say that handing out guest worker visas will somehow increase our tax base. H-1B visas are used to replace expensive engineers with much cheaper foreign engineers, which lowers our tax revenue. That’s a trade off that makes no sense to most people. As for the lower paid jobs that are filled with visas like H-2A or H-2B that are used for unskilled labor, just how many cabbage pickers pay taxes?

To get the facts on H-1B, other guest worker visas, and offshoring please go to my website. I have a free “Job Destruction Newsletter” that will help you to keep up with the latest developments, and it will help to keep you informed so the Ramage’s of the world won’t mislead you.

http://www.jobdestruction.info/

Rob
Monday, April 13, 2009 at 8:48 PM



Stephanie is just so out of touch with reality. Her story and tales have no base for the true harm illegal immigartion and importing/exporting of jobs has done to this country ! Soon her job will be outsourced also. Who really reads anything in the Sunday Paper. Stephanie is not working or hanging with small town America. Wake up news people. Story after factual story could be written and you would all print the lie. We have to here your feelings. Its like a diary! The News papers are like a diary . They do not report the real news ! It is all about feelings and tollerance ! I will not tollerate my country going in the direction it is going and I voted Democrat for more than 15 years. I am not republicabn or Dem. I wil never vote for the sorry leaders ever again. Illegal immigration got bad under Clinton and bush and will continue untill the Citizens drop the paper and read the facts!If this blog is not printed I will understand the true meaning of censorship.

Steve
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 1:21 PM



Stephanie is just so out of touch with reality. Her story and tales have no base for the true harm illegal immigartion and importing/exporting of jobs has done to this country ! Soon her job will be outsourced also. Who really reads anything in the Sunday Paper. Stephanie is not working or hanging with small town America. Wake up news people. Story after factual story could be written and you would all print the lie. We have to here your feelings. Its like a diary! The News papers are like a diary . They do not report the real news ! It is all about feelings and tollerance ! I will not tollerate my country going in the direction it is going and I voted Democrat for more than 15 years. I am not republican or Dem. I wil never vote for the sorry leaders ever again. Illegal immigration got bad under Clinton and bush and will continue untill the Citizens drop the paper and read the facts!If this blog is not printed I will understand the true meaning of censorship.

Steve
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM



Stephanie is just so out of touch with reality. Her story and tales have no base for the true harm illegal immigartion and importing/exporting of jobs has done to this country ! Soon her job will be outsourced also. Who really reads anything in the Sunday Paper. Stephanie is not working or hanging with small town America. Wake up news people. Story after factual story could be written and you would all print the lie. We have to here your feelings. Its like a diary! The News papers are like a diary . They do not report the real news ! It is all about feelings and tollerance ! I will not tollerate my country going in the direction it is going and I voted Democrat for more than 15 years. I am not republican or Dem. I wil never vote for the sorry leaders ever again. Illegal immigration got bad under Clinton and bush and will continue untill the Citizens drop the paper and read the facts!If this blog is not printed I will understand the true meaning of censorship.

Steve
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM



Stephanie, I am going to post a long response to your blog here. There is a good chance you may not even read it. If you do, I seriously doubt anything I write will change your mind. Still this is an issue I have researched copiously and thought about very much over the past several years.

I continue to be dismayed by media conflation of illegal immigrants with the public policy question of whether illegal immigration is good for the country and whether allowing regularization and new guest worker programs allowing more low-skill foreigners to come and work is good for the country. I suspect the media does this deliberately because any person with a heart can empathize with the immigrant. I, for one, agree that most first generation immigrants are diligent and decent people. That, Stephanie, is simply not the issue. I beg you and everyone else in the media to stop conflatiing the issues. The issue is what is good public policy. If we looked at it strictly as a policy issue, we could get away from some of the emotion and the name-calling that has become so a part of this debate. As an aside, I have been very disappointing with the name-calling you have resorted to on this blog. Your comments about DA King, a decorated Marine who defended this country and a hard-working retiree from the insurance industry, are especially dismaying.

Let's limit this debate to public policy, shall we?

To that end, I assert that an unlimited flow of low-wage, low-skill employees, particuarly when they arrive illegally, is bad for the country, notwithstanding the hard work they put in.

Because you may not even read this, I am not going to offer sources or footnotes to my points. Just writiing this is work enough. However, if you do read this and you have a doubt about anything I say, bring it to my attention and I will source it for you.

I would agree with you that employers of illegal immigrants benefit from their toil. However, regardless of which side of the issue one may be on, they must understand that these employers are being subsidized by the public. Please understand, Stephanie. When an employer has an opening for a new dishwasher, they can hire from the local community. If they do, there are no incremental costs to the community to hiring this person. Unfortunately, what happens in reality is that a restauranteur needing a new dishwasher will simply "put the word out" among his Hispanic employees that he needs a new dishwasher. Within weeks, a new Mexican, having pirated an American's Social Security number, will show up at the back door. Please understand, Stephanie, that whatever the company is paying that employee is just a fraction of the cost of bringing that employee into the community so he can be employed as a dishwasher. The average cost of one year of public education in the US is $8,000. Every trip to the emergency room costs at least $5,000. Incremental police and fire protection are necessary when population grows, and more roads and bridges are necessary. You must agree that the employer of this new dishwasher is not bearing any of the costs: the local community is subsidizing that employer for ALL of the costs. You may argue that the public benefits from the fact that the restauranteur is able to price his food lower than he would if he had to pay more for an American dishwasher. I would reply with several points. Number one is that the public would at least have a choice as to whether it wanted to pay higher prices at the restaurant or not. As it is, the increased taxes and lowered services that result from the current subsiday situation are something about which the public has no choice: these consequences are rammed down our throats. I would also note that most studies have shown that increased pay that would go to Americans do not greatly increase the cost of the product or service in question. An additonal point I would make is that numerous studies have shown that the presence of plentiful cheap labor is an impediment to innovation while scarce cheap labor spurs innovation. We put a man on the moon 40 years ago. You cannot tell me that we can't find a way to automate dishwashing, lettuce picking, meatpacking, chicken processing, and many other things. Japan is much more restrictive on immigration than we are. They are much, much more automated than we are and they make extensive use of robotics.

Now lets get to the downside of an unlimited flow of low-wage, low-skill labor into the country. I hasten to say that much of this has been brought about by globalization that has greatly changed the labor force. In my humble opinion, the media has done a poor job of reporting the ramifications, good or bad, of so-called free trade agreements and globalization. For example polls showed that when NAFTA was passed in 1993, 65% of the public was opposed. Has it been good for the country? Most of the public thinks not, but the media has been extremely silent. Either way, it cannot be argued that manufacturing, which used to be the backbone of our economy, has been eviscerated and that millions of middle-class manufacturing jobs with health care benefits have been lost due to NAFTA alone. The labor force has changed dramatically, and new jobs have been heavily weighted toward service and manual labor jobs, very few of which pay good wages and very few of which offer health care benefits.

Illegal immigration has, in fact, had a negaitve impact on the job market. Yes, illegal workers tend to be very hard-working and have a good work eithic. However, they are also very pliable. Their greatest fear is deportation or loss of job so they will literally do anything for their employer. They are, in fact, indentured servants. This greatly and deleteriously effects low-skill American workers. Immigration reform advocates often denigrate the work ethic of these American workers, but I would point out that those workers did the work long before the Mexicans showed up. I would like to remind you of the case of Howard Industires, another greedy employer in Missisisippi that has been given a free pass by the media. Roughly half of their employees were hauled away during an ICE raid last summer. The media copiously reported that, as they were being hauled away, the American employees, mostly poor and African-American, applauded. I ask you, Stephanie. Were they applauding because they are mean people or do you think that maybe, just maybe, these folks understood that the cheap and pliable Mexicans were standing in the way of the ability of these folks to command a fair wage and decent benefits for their toil. I think the answer is obvious. As an aside, when the plant had to rehire to replace the Mexicans, there were long lines of Americans applying for the jobs.

Please note that average wages in the meatpacking industry were $19 per hour and (unadjusted for inflation) they are $9 per hour today. It is not a coincidence that this industry employed Americans 20 years ago but today employs mostly Mexicans. Once again, the only beneficiary is the greedy employer. It is sad that you, Stephanie, and the MSM seem to always be on the side of these greedy employers.

I want to talk about the impact of illegal immigrants on schools, health care and hospitals, crime, traffic, and general quality of life. I will go into very detailed points. Sadly, Stephanie and others in the media have REFUSED to concede that the huge population growth emanating from illegal immigration, heavily centered in poor low-wage people with very little educational attanment, has any negative impacts.

I will go into those areas in a future post.

Here's hoping you are willing to have at least a modicum of an open mind, Stephanie. I have read your writing in the past and seen you on the Georgia Gang before. I think you are talented. Sadly, I think you have a closed mind on this issue. I don't expect to change it but would hope that you and other members of the MSM give just a little more respect to honest, hardworking Americans who happen to disagree, not because they have anything against Mexicans, but rather because they have a legitimate public policy concern.

Michael
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 at 6:24 PM


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